Krishnamurti Bulletin no. 86 – Krishnamurti with Psychiatrists etc… questioning thought itself
In this “Krishnamurti Bulletin” published in 1986, J. Krishnamurti has 3 parts. Part 2 is a transcript of a dialogue with psychiatrists from 1950. Part 3 has notes from a 1975 conference with psychotherapists.
Part 2 and Part 3 are interesting to me. I will talk about some of what I highlighted from it.
I wonder what Krishnamurti means when he says, “the moment I am aware, I cannot stop all those things from coming out; they are bound to come out”. In his previous comment he says, “I do not have to go into all of this, because it comes bubbling out”. He is talking to psychiatrists in reference to the content of the psyche, whether it needs to be dug into. In my case, I feel like my psyche comes bubbling out, like if I have a “psychosis”. I feel like that unconscious material ‘wants’ to come up in my awareness and there is nothing “I” can do about it. This futher makes me question how much control this “I” that I think I have, seems to have.
K (for Krishnamurti) says “the point is to be aware, to be sensitive”. For me, medications are the opposite of this sensitivity. They dull sensitivity. So, when I experience psychosis, I am hypersensitive to this internal space of forces that I’d rather ignore, or is beneath the surface on a daily basis.
“That’s the thing. Why do I look away?” Last time I was in the hospital, I took very few PRNs etc as I wanted to look and be aware of what psychosis was showing me. It was showing me some pretty bad movies and telling me terrible stories and giving me horrible waking nightmares. I don’t think the PRNs made them any better. They maybe gave me the illusion that I had any power to escape the internal world that I had been immersed into.
K talks about physical needs versus psychological needs and after several points he goes on to say “if I see the importance of not being in conflict, the desire to be something inevitably ceases”. Before that he asks if one can be free of the desire to fulfill oneself, indicating that then one shall love and be kind versus saying “I must be loved”. Profoundly simple.
I love when K says “it is the desire to be something that starts every conflict…and if I dissolve that”.
One of the psychiatrist asserts that K must experience life “as an integrated whole”.
When some of the doctors are talking about their position one says the trouble is that they’ve “been disciplined from early years in the area of science in which thinking is over-evaluated.” I have been pondering lately how my intellect has gotten in the way of being able to create healthy relationships. I came across a quote today by Eckhart Tolle that says “When you don’t cover up the world with words and labels, a sense of the miraculous returns to you life that was lost a long time ago when humanity, instead of using thought, became possessed by thought.” Do you use thought or does thought use you?
K says, “I do not see the thing integrally because I still have a hankering to be somebody.” It’s been a little why since I’ve revisted these words. I have something to think, or not think about.
Woah, I made a lot of notes on part 3. Perhaps I’ll save it for another day 🙂
Here is the link to the full version pdf that you can download and print and make your own notes in the margins.